Discussion:
[BL] debian install from baslin
Indelible Bonobo
2012-10-17 13:43:12 UTC
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After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
miss the OS (I tried booting with both).

I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en

The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and issued

/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian

(in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
assumed that's there to suggest full line)

Here's the output of that command:

I: Retrieving InRelease
I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
I: Retrieving Release
W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
I: Retrieving Packages
I: Validating Packages
E: Cannot check sha1sum

Issuing the next command in the guide,

# LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash

returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
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Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
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Thank you, Sindi.
I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
stable, even the old ones.
I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
Cheers,
Indelible Bonobo
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:28:40 -0400
Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
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I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
compile some modern programs.
I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
./configure (listed all at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
)
Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
updated Busybox.
I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
install / upgrade?
[Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Take a look at pkg script and see where it is looking for grep, and
symlink the new grep to that location, or point the pkg script at it.
I am using BL2 so cannot check pkg right now.
A lot of programs will not compile with the tools from BL. One option is
to try to compile against uclibc. Read about that in the archive.
Welcome to our very-little-used mail list.
Sindi
I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
compile some modern programs.
I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
./configure (listed all at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
)
Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
updated Busybox.
I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
install / upgrade?
[Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:25:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
Sindi Keesan
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:21:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
Ian.
Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
Sindi Keesan
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Forum. http://murga-linux.com/puppy
Search on pulp linux. There is one discussion item with a link to the
latest location of the .iso file. I can explain how to boot the 'frugal'
installation with loadlin or lilo. Later versions require grub to boot.
Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
Ian.
Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Thank you, Sindi.
I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
I thought you wanted the newer/fuller grep for something.
I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
The info on pulp at the forum is in English.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy search on pulp
Packages for Puppy tend to be whatever the users decide to offer.
Search the forum (or a search engine) for Tor and puppy. Usually puppy
packages will work with pulp, unless they require gtk > 2.0.
To install puppy copy the main .sfs file to any ext2 partition, and the
kernel and initrd to a fat32 partition, and boot with loadlin. Or use
lilo. Email me offlist for details. Then any changes you make go into a
second file automatically when you exit.
It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
stable, even the old ones.
A search on puppy linux tor got me a puppy linux wika listing three
versions of tor (37 38 39) from 2012, Jun Aug Sep. Someone is keeping up
with it. The package manager will fetch the dependencies for you.
I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
Let us know how it goes.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
Have fun with this.
Sindi
Cheers,
Indelible Bonobo
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sindi keesan
2012-10-17 14:15:00 UTC
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Post by Indelible Bonobo
After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
miss the OS (I tried booting with both).
I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and issued
/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian
(in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
assumed that's there to suggest full line)
I: Retrieving InRelease
I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
I: Retrieving Release
W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
I: Retrieving Packages
I: Validating Packages
E: Cannot check sha1sum
Issuing the next command in the guide,
# LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
BL3 comes with md5sum not sha1sum and I know nothing about keyring.
You can add Slackware 4 packages.

I think your command is looking for /bin/bash in /mnt/debinst
not in BL3.

The latest Debian is quite unlikely to fit into the amount of memory or
hard drive of a P75. It may have filled the drive without installing
bash.

What went wrong when you tried to install the Pulp version of Puppy?
The regular versions require at least 128MB memory (256 is much better).

Have you tried Tinycore linux? There are quite a few very small
single-purpose linuxes. Blueflops (runs from two floppies), etc.
Indelible Bonobo
2012-10-17 17:16:11 UTC
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Thank you for your reply, Sindi.

I am quite sure Debian fits on the HD partition (500MB ext2 + 100MB
swap) as I installed it on this HD using another computer.
Unfortunately, I could not transplant the HD - perhaps the mobo reads
the HD using a different geometry - neither Grub nor Lilo could boot
Linux, though Lilo was able to boot DOS. The question is whether the
RAM is sufficient and I'm quite sure that by going this route
(building it from the ground up and not installing everything) it will
work.

The reason why I have to keep transplating the HD is that this mobo
cannot boot a CDROM and I'm not sure whether the floppy drive is
defective or the floppy I tried had problems, but the floppy started
out as good and readable and after format is unusable, so I'd rather
not mess with floppies anymore. The Ethernet card - 3Com 3509 E III
cannot boot from the network either.

The problem with trying the distros you've mentioned is first - they
are very slow as they insist on booting a GUI which is probably
optimized for i686 - it takes forever to do anything in it. There
probably is a way to prevent it from loading and stay in CLI but on
the terminal few commands seem to be working and I have difficulties
finding information on how to run it via CLI, or how to install it
from DOS.

I was able to boot Pulp from DOS with loadlin, but it took forever and
I could not get networking up and running, which meant essentially I
was stuck.

I had thought debootstrap installs /bin/bash onto the ext2 partition.
I'll look to see if I can install gpg, the keyring, sha1sum from
Slackware9 (couldn't find gpg on S4). The alternative would be to copy
the Deb CD ISO contents to the HD and start it with loadlin.

If I can install Debian, I can then upgrade Tor via apt-get from the
repos, without having to depend on someone else to update it for me.
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Subject: [BL] debian install from baslin
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After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
miss the OS (I tried booting with both).
I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and issued
/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian
(in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
assumed that's there to suggest full line)
I: Retrieving InRelease
I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
I: Retrieving Release
W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
I: Retrieving Packages
I: Validating Packages
E: Cannot check sha1sum
Issuing the next command in the guide,
# LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:10:57 -0400
Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
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Thank you, Sindi.
I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
stable, even the old ones.
I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
Cheers,
Indelible Bonobo
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:28:40 -0400
Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
compile some modern programs.
I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
./configure (listed all at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
)
Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
updated Busybox.
I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
install / upgrade?
[Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Take a look at pkg script and see where it is looking for grep, and
symlink the new grep to that location, or point the pkg script at it.
I am using BL2 so cannot check pkg right now.
A lot of programs will not compile with the tools from BL. One option is
to try to compile against uclibc. Read about that in the archive.
Welcome to our very-little-used mail list.
Sindi
I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
compile some modern programs.
I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
./configure (listed all at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
)
Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
updated Busybox.
I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
install / upgrade?
[Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:25:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
Sindi Keesan
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:21:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
Ian.
Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
Sindi Keesan
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Forum. http://murga-linux.com/puppy
Search on pulp linux. There is one discussion item with a link to the
latest location of the .iso file. I can explain how to boot the 'frugal'
installation with loadlin or lilo. Later versions require grub to boot.
Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
Ian.
Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
somewhat less. It supports much more modern software.
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
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Thank you, Sindi.
I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
I thought you wanted the newer/fuller grep for something.
I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
The info on pulp at the forum is in English.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy search on pulp
Packages for Puppy tend to be whatever the users decide to offer.
Search the forum (or a search engine) for Tor and puppy. Usually puppy
packages will work with pulp, unless they require gtk > 2.0.
To install puppy copy the main .sfs file to any ext2 partition, and the
kernel and initrd to a fat32 partition, and boot with loadlin. Or use
lilo. Email me offlist for details. Then any changes you make go into a
second file automatically when you exit.
It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
stable, even the old ones.
A search on puppy linux tor got me a puppy linux wika listing three
versions of tor (37 38 39) from 2012, Jun Aug Sep. Someone is keeping up
with it. The package manager will fetch the dependencies for you.
I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
Let us know how it goes.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
Have fun with this.
Sindi
Cheers,
Indelible Bonobo
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After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
miss the OS (I tried booting with both).
I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and issued
/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian
(in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
assumed that's there to suggest full line)
I: Retrieving InRelease
I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
I: Retrieving Release
W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
I: Retrieving Packages
I: Validating Packages
E: Cannot check sha1sum
Issuing the next command in the guide,
# LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
BL3 comes with md5sum not sha1sum and I know nothing about keyring.
You can add Slackware 4 packages.
I think your command is looking for /bin/bash in /mnt/debinst
not in BL3.
The latest Debian is quite unlikely to fit into the amount of memory or
hard drive of a P75. It may have filled the drive without installing
bash.
What went wrong when you tried to install the Pulp version of Puppy?
The regular versions require at least 128MB memory (256 is much better).
Have you tried Tinycore linux? There are quite a few very small
single-purpose linuxes. Blueflops (runs from two floppies), etc.
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sindi keesan
2012-10-17 18:37:51 UTC
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Post by Indelible Bonobo
Thank you for your reply, Sindi.
I am quite sure Debian fits on the HD partition (500MB ext2 + 100MB
swap) as I installed it on this HD using another computer.
Unfortunately, I could not transplant the HD - perhaps the mobo reads
the HD using a different geometry - neither Grub nor Lilo could boot
Linux, though Lilo was able to boot DOS. The question is whether the
RAM is sufficient and I'm quite sure that by going this route
(building it from the ground up and not installing everything) it will
work.
How much RAM did Debian use when installed on the hard drive in another
computer?
Post by Indelible Bonobo
The reason why I have to keep transplating the HD is that this mobo
cannot boot a CDROM and I'm not sure whether the floppy drive is
defective or the floppy I tried had problems, but the floppy started
out as good and readable and after format is unusable, so I'd rather
not mess with floppies anymore. The Ethernet card - 3Com 3509 E III
cannot boot from the network either.
There are a lot of old laptops around newer than your P75. Do you live
some place with an ecycle or freecycle group?
Post by Indelible Bonobo
The problem with trying the distros you've mentioned is first - they
are very slow as they insist on booting a GUI which is probably
optimized for i686 - it takes forever to do anything in it. There
probably is a way to prevent it from loading and stay in CLI but on
the terminal few commands seem to be working and I have difficulties
finding information on how to run it via CLI, or how to install it
from DOS.
A search on "puppy linux boot to cli" suggested modifying /etc/inittab to
runlevel 3 instead of 5. You could ask for other suggestions at the
forum.
Post by Indelible Bonobo
I was able to boot Pulp from DOS with loadlin, but it took forever and
I could not get networking up and running, which meant essentially I
was stuck.
Networking works for me with all the hardware I ever fed Puppy.
Post by Indelible Bonobo
I had thought debootstrap installs /bin/bash onto the ext2 partition.
I'll look to see if I can install gpg, the keyring, sha1sum from
Slackware9 (couldn't find gpg on S4). The alternative would be to copy
the Deb CD ISO contents to the HD and start it with loadlin.
BL3 uses Slackware 4 packages, but BL2 can be upgraded to use Slackware 11
glibc and packages.
Post by Indelible Bonobo
If I can install Debian, I can then upgrade Tor via apt-get from the
repos, without having to depend on someone else to update it for me.
Can you find some way to post without involving baslinux digest? It adds
a lot of redundancy to your postings. I just signed up for delivery of
all mails to the list.
sindi keesan
2012-10-18 04:16:11 UTC
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Take a look at the Wikipedia list of linux distributions.
TAILS - all outgoing connections forced to go through TOR.

TinyME. Damn Small Linux. TinyCore (10MB RAM). Slitaz (30MB).
Alpine (uclibc and busybox). Bifrost.
Crux (installs without GUI and there is an ISO for i586)

Tor-Ramdisk uclibc based i686 (200MHz or more) whose only purpose is to
host TOR. Can you find something this modern to use instead of the P75?
Some other linuxes also require i686.

http://livecdlist.com
Mitrax 50MB CD (maybe you can install to hard drive), will run in RAM if
you have 96MB.

Sindi Keesan
HARSHA GODAVARI
2012-10-18 13:03:01 UTC
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Try Deli(cate) linux . It installs on a 486 with 3 MB  RAM!  The author is very friendly and helpful. Here is the URL:

       http://delicate-linux.net/

regards
hg

----- Original Message -----
From: sindi keesan <***@SDF.ORG>
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: [BL] debian install from baslin
Post by sindi keesan
Take a look at the Wikipedia list of linux distributions.
TAILS - all outgoing connections forced to go through TOR.
TinyME.  Damn Small Linux.  TinyCore (10MB RAM). 
Slitaz (30MB).
Alpine (uclibc and busybox).  Bifrost.
Crux (installs without GUI and there is an ISO for i586)
Tor-Ramdisk uclibc based i686 (200MHz or more) whose only
purpose is to
host TOR.  Can you find something this modern to use
instead of the P75?
Some other linuxes also require i686.
http://livecdlist.com
Mitrax  50MB CD (maybe you can install to hard drive), will
run in RAM if
you have 96MB.
Sindi Keesan
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2012-10-18 13:16:19 UTC
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Installed on a 486 with "32" MB RAM..   sorry.

regards
hg

----- Original Message -----
From: HARSHA GODAVARI <***@shaw.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:12 am
Subject: Re: [BL] debian install from baslin
Post by HARSHA GODAVARI
Try Deli(cate) linux . It installs on a 486 with 3 MB  RAM!  The
       http://delicate-linux.net/
regards
hg
----- Original Message -----
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: [BL] debian install from baslin
Post by sindi keesan
Take a look at the Wikipedia list of linux distributions.
TAILS - all outgoing connections forced to go through TOR.
TinyME.  Damn Small Linux.  TinyCore (10MB RAM). 
Slitaz (30MB).
Alpine (uclibc and busybox).  Bifrost.
Crux (installs without GUI and there is an ISO for i586)
Tor-Ramdisk uclibc based i686 (200MHz or more) whose only
purpose is to
host TOR.  Can you find something this modern to use
instead of the P75?
Some other linuxes also require i686.
http://livecdlist.com
Mitrax  50MB CD (maybe you can install to hard drive), will
run in RAM if
you have 96MB.
Sindi Keesan
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sindi keesan
2012-10-18 14:29:11 UTC
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Post by HARSHA GODAVARI
       http://delicate-linux.net/
regards
hg
2.4 kernel, i386
Minimum 300MB HD, 8MB RAM (14MB with GUI).
Recommended 64MB and 2GB.
Still alpha. 300MB iso means you need a hard drive bigger than this
unless you are installing from CD.

Lots of packages (not including TOR). gtk 2.1, icewm....
uclibc based. I may try it on the Compaq 486 someone gave us recently.

Their site has a link to Delilinux's other successor,
http://www.conochaetos.org, which supports i586, 64MB RAM, 2GB 2.6 or 3.2
kernel. Based on Arch Linux.

Sindi

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